So once you started practicing both homeopathic medicine and traditional allopathic, so the medical chemical model, which model did you find gave patients better outcomes? And I appreciate that it's patient-specific, but I'm asking which was of more value to your patients in that 25-year period?

It's kind of a mixed result for that, I would say, because With conventional medicine, a lot of people really want the disappearance of their symptoms.

And for them, that's satisfactory.

So patients may be satisfied if you're able to control their blood pressure with a couple of pills or you're able to get rid of their headaches with a pill to give them migraine or something terrible like that.

They may be satisfied with that temporary cure because it relieves them of their pain.

So from that perspective, you can do a lot by just relieving pain and suffering.

We call that maybe palliation because it comes back again.

Can you just go into that a little more, the importance of addressing things from looking at the whole person and then how basically if you're just addressing symptoms but not looking at the whole person, how basically you could be making it worse or just moving things around.