The question I ask everyone at the end is, what's your message to Ottawa? Isn't that a

great question? Yeah, mine would be kind of tacky.

I'd probably say, do you mind getting out of bed with the pharmaceutical companies and doing your job on behalf of Canadians? that that that would be kind of my bottom line and if you can't stop taking money from the drug companies because you're addicted to it stop meeting with them stop having coffee with them stop two-thirds of medical visits in canada end in a prescription so that's either a new drug that you get prescribed it's or it's a refill so a drug that you're already taking is getting renewed or it's a free sample and the free samples are the newest latest drugs that the drug companies drop off at physicians clinics and they here try this it's a it's a it's free but it's it's not really free because we all pay for it eventually yeah so you can't discount the idea of patient demand and Because we do live in very much a quick fix society where we want rapid solutions to any problems.

And it takes years and years to develop medical conditions.

Sometimes it takes years and years to reduce the impact of it.

I mean, this is the problem with the weight loss drugs that I explained to you where they're so widely advertised.

They're so widely... promoted by celebrities and they're embedded in sort of cultural discussions.

Oh, well, and I think we've also got the point where now we have to ask, do you get paid more if I take a certain treatment? then then if i don't i like we i think we've learned we have to ask that also like are there incentives for you for me to take a specific treatment

Can you maybe explain, you know, what you really mean by that? And maybe give us an example or two of, you know, how you came to, to hold that opinion today?

Well, there are really two things there.

One is that when you have homeopathy as a tool to use in the medical clinic, there are a lot of things you can do that you could not do before.

So after 11 years, I saw many cases of chronic diseases and even acute diseases that you couldn't do much for.

They either just got better by themselves over time or they became, as I mentioned, chronic cases.

And you just would do the best you could to relieve their symptoms, but you never cured them.

When you have homeopathy in your pocket, there's a lot of things you can do that even in the emergency department, even for acute illnesses and even around the times of surgery and so forth that you can't do with conventional medicine.

And then, you know, I'll, I'll wrap us up with a call to action.

So once you started practicing both homeopathic medicine and traditional allopathic, so the medical chemical model, which model did you find gave patients better outcomes? And I appreciate that it's patient-specific, but I'm asking which was of more value to your patients in that 25-year period?

It's kind of a mixed result for that, I would say, because With conventional medicine, a lot of people really want the disappearance of their symptoms.

And for them, that's satisfactory.

So patients may be satisfied if you're able to control their blood pressure with a couple of pills or you're able to get rid of their headaches with a pill to give them migraine or something terrible like that.

They may be satisfied with that temporary cure because it relieves them of their pain.

So from that perspective, you can do a lot by just relieving pain and suffering.

We call that maybe palliation because it comes back again.

Can you just go into that a little more, the importance of addressing things from looking at the whole person and then how basically if you're just addressing symptoms but not looking at the whole person, how basically you could be making it worse or just moving things around.