Hmm

... car accidents, and just sort of, you know, like threw that at us and, uh, then, uh, basically just said, "Well, so what is it about us? Why can't we deal with death in our society?" And, uh, I had been, uh, studying Eastern religions at that time, uh, as a young guy, and, uh, was, um...

just, it was a, it was, it was, uh, an epiphany moment for me.

Uh, 'cause at the time, I was working with heroin a- a- addicts in, uh, Monterey, California.

And, um, I said, I just said to myself, "I should be working with, with cancer patients or, you know, some, some people who are suffering," because the best thing you can do while you're alive around this planet, I think, is to, um, relieve suffering if you can, and, uh, or to just, you know, make an impact there.

And so I went back to Monterey, um, and found, um, um, an oncologist and, and his nurse, uh, Terry Rubin and Becky Allen.

And, uh, we had this project called the Cancer Recovery Project, where we were doing guided imagery and we were helping the patients with imagining their, uh, cancer and their treatment.

So there's sort of a, a, a plus and minus here.