Was that your sense? Did you have that feeling?

Yeah.

She, like... she never-- Who wants to die, you know? Well, I shouldn't say that, because obviously there are people out there who want to.

But she had so much life left to live in her eyes.

Um, kind of, you know, personal.

Um, so after our third, my husband got a vasectomy kind of hastily.

I had really bad postpartum depression.

... compressed.