That's right.

Yeah.

Across all the spectrums of life.

Because a lot of people try to solve a specific problem or a pain point, but then those things don't take into consideration the rest of your life.

The very real struggles and energy drains that happen when you're just a human on this planet.

You don't have to be a mom.

You don't have to be a parent.

And do you think that is a big bottleneck on the industry today?

So how did you get into gardening, especially vegetable gardening?

So for me, it was out...

I, I never grew up a gardener.

I was never taught how to garden from my mother, grandmother, or grandparents.

Um, I became...

I was working in, uh, in a marketing job in an ad agency, and I went traveling, and when I came back, I had caught something and I got really sick, and I was in bed for almost two years.

Um, and so I was quite, um, unwell, and if you imagine sleeping for two years or being in be- bedridden for two years, your body becomes weak, your mind becomes weak.

What is that about? And tell us more about, you know, what is in your book and what can be helpful, helpful for gardeners or pique, pique the interest of our listeners.

So how did you get into gardening, especially vegetable gardening?

So for me, it was out ...

I, I never grew up a gardener.

I was never taught how to garden from my mother, grandmother, or grandparents.

Um, I became ...

I was working in, uh, in a marketing job in an ad agency, and I went traveling.

And when I came back, I had caught something and I got really sick, and I was in bed for almost two years.

What is that about, and tell us more about, you know, what is in your book and what can be helpful, helpful for gardeners or pique, pique the interest of our listeners.

Do you have any like advice on how people can look for these?

Yeah, you know, you listed a bunch of them too when we were talking earlier, even from like local seed libraries and using your library, there are so many resources.

So I do have an entire chapter dedicated to this.

And the reason why is because a lot of them are local and small.

And so all I have in the chapter is not all the list of the places around the world that you can find.

It's how to do the hunting.

It's how to find these organizations.

And that's a great time.

But

yeah, so buy nothing groups or local neighborhood groups, like Nextdoor, there's Bunz, which is... specifically for plant sharing.

So it's like a community chat group where people give away plant cuttings.

And I think it started with...

No, I've never heard of that.

Is it an app? It's not an app.

Well, I don't know.

That sounds great.