Exactly,

yeah.

So they kind of want to know this for two reasons.

One is load management.

So a utility rightfully says, well, I want to know if someone is exporting solar power, and there's no interconnection contract, how much is it going to be, max? So I can plan for this.

On the other hand... what they're installing, is that safe? Like, how do we know? And then if you register the system, then you know by name, okay, well, this system has certifications.

It passes all the regulatory tests.

So I'm curious how much of Germany's success and therefore how much of the United States' success is actually about putting solar in places that people already trust and buy.

Yeah.

We never try to over-regulate.

We always try to say keep, uh, language neutral to where it's not even just about plug-in solar.

Let it be plug-in energy, for instance.

Um, you don't wanna, you don't wanna write something that might exclude batteries.

No one's talking about plug-in batteries, uh, that much yet.

Everyone's talking about plug-in solar, right? But plug-in batteries are becoming an essential part of this technology.

What do you think the biggest lesson Americans misunderstand about how that happened?

Mm-hmm.

That's where I got my master's.

Took a detour past oil and gas, and then I've just found interest in solar in general.

Worked for a client that had larger solar installations, and then I created my first kind of off-grid solar power plant.

And from there, I had heard that in Europe there were first movements about balcony solar, which in itself is not that new.

There were systems around in the 1990s.

They used to call them guerrilla solar in the US.

Mm-hmm.