So was that the case with that record?

Yeah, basically we, like Paul said earlier, like being through so much in the industry there's even more stuff that he didn't even go into oh my god we'll be here for like three hours yeah i feel your sister like personally as well you know struggling with you know depression anxiety and you know your own like internal issues um writing that record was very therapeutic I think for us and I feel like it's something we needed to get out and be kind of open about and have that conversation about mental health about struggling in a band I feel like a lot of people are scared to touch on certain topics and stuff and we've we've never been afraid to kind of talk about things like suicide and stuff and you know it's very that's obviously a very personal thing to us and

And you know what? And I will never, ever complain about that because those people are the ones, like you said, Steph, like those are the people that were there when no one was.

Exactly.

And I feel like I want to just make that known because there was times when we had, like I said, we were dropped by everyone, but there's fans I still see now commenting.

I'm like, you were there when I was crying and you sent a nice message and that helped me.

Some people, they might not even realize how much they help us.

Sending a nice message, that honestly means the world to us.