And then I know you eventually went as like a, okay, I'm doing this.

I would love to speak on this and I have I probably have some feelings that are going to reinforce your fear.

And then I have other I have other experience and feelings that might make people feel better.

But for one, the first time I ever went to a meeting was with a friend.

who was very clearly an alcoholic.

It was just one of those things where every time this guy drank, even if he had one drink, he was already starting slurring.

And it was so clear to me, oh yeah, this is what alcoholism looks like.

And they're like, we know.

Anyway,

that's how we talk about it.

I am such a hard ass, which is hilarious about drinking and driving.

I mean, it's not funny, but I'm saying given how much drinking and driving I've done in my life, I'm not I'm not proud of it.

I don't want to seem flippant, but like, oh, my God, like as a full adult, I was doing so much because in my mind, I always thought I was fine.

I wasn't a person who was like, oh, I drive better when I'm drunk.

I wasn't like that.

are sad people.

Um, anyway, that's how we talk about it.

I am such a hard-ass, which is hilarious, about drinking and driving.

I mean, it's not funny, but I'm saying given how much drinking and driving I've done in my life, I'm not, I'm not proud of it.

I don't want to seem flippant, but like, oh my God.

Like, as a full adult, I was doing so mu- because in my mind, I always thought I was fine.

It wa- it, I wasn't a person who was like, "Oh, I drive better when I'm drunk." I wasn't like that.

I just never thought I was drunk.

Like... [laughs]

That's exciting

...

when Sippy Cups Are Not for Chardonnay came out, uh, you know, people didn't know who I was.

I was an unknown author.

And so the reviews, a lot of people just went crazy with the negative reviews because they would find something about the book that they didn't like, like the fact that I didn't breastfeed.

[clears throat] Well, attempted to.

We talked about this-

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