Stefan Johansson
Swedish former racing driver
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May 29, 2026
'People Look At Me Weird'
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25:42And just for our listeners, CMS, that's Center for Medicare and Medicaid.

Stefan JohanssonGUEST
We looked at that with my office, with our governor's office, and believed that our perpetuity fund did not exactly meet those definitions of trust funds and endowments.

Stefan JohanssonGUEST
It's also a really creative concept in a state like Wyoming that has a huge geography and a small population to potentially long-term help sustain some of these more basic services like emergency departments, OBGYN services that we know we really struggle with in Wyoming, rural and frontier EMS or ambulance services.

Stefan JohanssonGUEST
And what we were really trying to do is balance that immediate need with trying to solve for some of these longer-term structural issues in the economics of healthcare in a state like Wyoming.

Stefan JohanssonGUEST
But ultimately through our negotiations over the past two months, it just didn't seem like we had a path in this first year.

Stefan JohanssonGUEST
While we're still somewhat disappointed that we couldn't get to the finish line on the perpetuity fund, we should see, uh, some really substantial financial improvements in some of these safety net providers in our rural communities.
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27:03Do you still have concerns about whether this money's gonna be sustainable?