So tell me how, um, the collaboration with Kaldewei or working with Kaldewei, and why are they, why they are such a, an interesting company for you to work with.

They are, there are actually a, a, a few aspects.

Um, first, I, I would say the f- the most, one of the most thrilling aspects of working with Kaldewei is that they work only with one material, and they do this since 100 years.

So that's a very good combination because you can be absolutely sure that if they can't do it, probably nobody can do it.

And, and of these kind of companies, they are becoming rare because, um, you know, shared collaborations, et cetera, you, you are...

But they are still working like 100 years ago, and, um, they use machines which are, um, incredibly, uh, let's say, a big invest.

So they are programmed to work very, very, as in very long periods.

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