Yeah.

Now, most people know me as a, as an essayist, but I'm working on a novella now that if I, if I bring off what I'm trying to do in it, it's g-, it's gonna bust this stuff open because it's gonna be about Americans who live the way they actually live, that is...

No major American writer since World War II has successfully created a character out of another racial or ethnic group, so-called racial or ethnic group, nor have we gotten the sense of the variousness of human relationships that we actually live every day in the United States, in writing.

Now, television is ahead of [laughs] television is ahead of fiction.

Movies are ahead of fiction in that respect.

I mean, fiction is way behind in terms of, of actually talking about how we live.

The people who are on your crew here, they [laughs] come from all kind of different backgrounds.

Right, right.

This is a chance for us to, to put our arms around what it is that's on Stanley's mind in a novel form, in a narrative form.

Right.

But it's also about...

But yeah, which is the fact that I'm, my interest is the United States, and the United States is a place in which all of these different groups of people have, are dealing with each other in, in various ways.

And what I wanted to do was take a risk by having a protagonist who was a, a blonde from South Dakota who wants to become a jazz singer, who comes to New York and becomes one.

But also, in the process, she meets many, many different kinds of people.

She meets people on the South Side of Chicago.

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