But do your parents have good cultural appropriate care?

One of the good things that Australia has seen over the last few decades has been the emergence of Aboriginal medical services, which can provide that support, in-home support and medical support, which has been a godsend.

Fortunately, we have an extended family and so there are cousins and my brother has been extraordinary in the time that he's been able to give to them.

I think one of the things, you know, and they do need a lot of care, but one of the things that I think you have to realize and you have to reckon with yourself.

And this was very confronting for me when I first really confronted my father's physical frailty.

He was doing incredibly well up until he was 80. driving, working full-time.

He's a cultural leader.

You talked about his scarred grace.

Um, and I wonder, uh, uh, where, um, where in that then w- with that do you look for silence?

Mm.

Um, I think silence is something we have lost, true silence.

Not the complicity of silence, not the silence of someone who's, who doesn't have the courage to speak up, not the silence that says, "It's not my problem," but the true attentive silence that connects you to what I think is the truth of the world, is that here we are on this planet, and we don't even belong just to this planet.

We belong to this universe, this mysterious thing.

I mean, for all the science in the world, we have not, in Stephen Hawking's words, unlocked the mind of God.

The idea of the absolute mystery of this existence.

What do you mean by that?

Yeah.

'I was naked and you clothed me not.'" This goes to, um, to a real despair that you've, that you've intimated, a- and it makes me wonder where King may have gone because you were right, I think, Scott, in identifying a man out of time.

His ideas were out of time.

There was an impatience among young Black Americans.

There was a resistance amongst white America, as you pointed out.

Opinion polls said that 75% of people opposed him in the United States for various reasons.

Where would he have gone in this despair with so much in flux? And, and I don't think that the speech, if you take away the, the prophetic nature of the speech and the end of the speech, which we will come to where you see something else move in him that is a, I think, a supernatural force, I think the speech itself does not hold up.

And then if we don't rectify ourselves with reference to those common standards, then we will go to hell.

Tell me that story.

Well, that, you know, that was never on the cards.

I never thought about university as such.

No one had ever finished high school.

Um, but a lot of things have fallen my way to Laal.

If I'd been born 10 years earlier, this doesn't happen.

None of this happens.

Give me sort of some sketch of, so you went from ABC, at some stage you went overseas.