Okay, so what set you down that path? I mean, was there a moment where it was like, yeah, this is what I'm going to make my career about?

Honestly, no.

I mean, design has always been my passion.

I knew I wanted to be a designer when I was 13.

I went to go help my parents pick out furniture for their house and the guy at the store tried to hire me even though I was not of an employable age.

He just thought I had great taste.

So I've always loved just our industry and through all my leadership positions within IIDA.

Yeah, especially in such a visual industry, like just exploring someone else's social, you can gain so much just by the visuals.