And within Greece, you had a, a regime which really stood against the ideas of liberal democracy, which was meant to be right at the heart of sort of Western thinking.

Yeah.

I mean, there was this, this characterization in the '50s and '60s on and off that Greece was democracy and Turkey wasn't, and that Greece was a democracy which had emerged from, you know, the civil conflict at the end of the Second World War, supported by the United States of America, but developed into a liberal democratic state with free elections and so on and so forth, while Turkey was taking a slightly different path that was more authoritarian.

It had these blips where, you know, there, there were, um, um, military, uh, leaderships in place, and there was this stark contrast, which wasn't exactly real because, yes, Greece was a democracy.

There were free elections regularly, but it was a state, uh, and a country which, especially in its foreign policy, was reliant on the United States of America.

I mean, a point I'd like to make is that from the end of the Second World War, from the end of the Greek Civil War in 1949 until, uh, the late 1960s, perhaps even the early 1970s, uh, Greece was really pro-American, at least at the leadership level.

In terms of its foreign policy, it saw itself dependent on the United States of America for its foreign policy survival and success.

Um, and just it'll be interesting to hear a little bit about, about those relationships and, and what, what underpins it and how Greeks see this.