Yeah.

But also, like, we're both disabled, we both have cerebral palsy, and people sort of kept sitting us at the table going, oh, you guys will get along, you're both American, you're both, you know, disabled.

And we were both kind of like, well, just because we're disabled doesn't mean we're going to get along.

Just because we both have cerebral palsy doesn't mean we're going to get along.

But we started chatting, and, you know, it's fine, and we saw each other's shows, and we realized we had very similar senses of humor, and And that we liked each other and stuff.

And also we sort of talked about, you know, being American and living abroad and living in the UK and living in Japan.

It's just physically easier to get around.

Yeah, yeah.

so the media environment in the 80s differed significantly from today's internet driven landscape major TV networks and papers possessed enormous influence over public opinion repeated exposure to dramatic stories contributed to a perception that satanic crime was widespread and growing so that is true isn't it there was only a limited number of channels limited number of radio stations and if they're all peddling the same narrative the general culture and people did tend to believe what they were told a little bit more Ben now I think there's easier ways to you know Question that.

Well, there were other other like urban legends and stuff.

Did you come across the Procter and Gamble stuff? Go on.

So there was a there was a rumor that Procter and Gamble was a satanic company because their symbol had like 13 stars on it or something.

And it was like a goat.

It looked goaty.

and they were like well that's a sign that you know and it's such a big company and you there's nobody that doesn't have a procter and gamble something or other in their house because they sell soap and everything yeah and so it got to the point where procter and gamble spent millions on lawyers and and trying to tell people like look we're not satanic it's on the 13 colonies and They even changed their logo.

Were movies and 1980s heavy metal music actively promoting Satanism?