Um, and even as your friend, and like we've spoke about it, but I feel like we've not really gone there.

Mm.

Yeah, completely.

I think it's one of those things that you don't really let yourself get into it all of the time.

Like even myself, like I'll be thinking about, about it constantly, but there's just never really like a time to really get into it because it's almost like, well, what's, what will that lead to? And like when I do, it's so upsetting, but then I'm like, I don't know, it's such an interesting thing.

I'm like, I am more than, more than open to talk about it.

But I think a lot of people get uncomfortable or, you know, like it's just, it's an interesting thing to bring up because s- it's not something everyone is, is experiencing.

And you also don't have to be a victim to that, you know? And I've said this previously on a podcast episode, but even for you in your situation, you are a victim to losing your mum at 13