Talk a little bit about that.

Yeah.

The documentation, I was very lucky.

The material was incredibly rich.

The two main things, I suppose, that came out of their time on the raft were Marilyn's diary, which miraculously she kept very regularly.

You know, it's a funny mix to her diary.

Actually, quite limited sort of personal revelation.

And so some folks might be asking that, like, how is harnessing a sea turtle to be like your little sled turtle possible? Like, how do we know that some of the really wild parts of this book did happen?

But I was wondering if you could just pick out a few that as, as a longtime journalist, as someone who's trying to craft a, a gripping nonfiction account really stood out to you.

Th- there's the obvious, like, basic physical facts of survival, and again, they describe this themselves very well, both in their books and in the diaries.

It's a matter of factness to the survival challenges they had, figuring out how to catch fish with a safety pin, the muscular wrestles they would have to have with these turtles that would flock around their boat, and they started to eat as well.

I think descri-- the, the real, the real specificity in Marilyn having to get used to swallowing raw fish, the revulsion you would instinctively feel.

And then by the end, how that translates into this kind of almost gung-ho attitude towards it, where they're just swiping birds that land on the raft and s- killing them and eating them, or she's, like, practically grabbing sharks with her bare hands and hauling them into the boat.

It's, it's a phenomenal physical journey they go on.

Uh, I think what was-- I found almost, I don't know, more, more horrifying [chuckles] on an existential level was the psychological process that they had to go through, and I think that comes through in some of their more reflective, well, uh, particularly with Maurice, almost after the event, that I think it's quite hard for them to immediately process what that was.

... allows us to, like, connect with the people under these extreme circumstances?