those who don't know?

So Justin Welby is the Archbishop of Canterbury, senior church leader.

And since 2013, Justin Welby was aware of John Smythe.

And John Smythe was a barrister, but also a leading man in the Church of England who was sadistic as hell.

I mean, I've listened to testimonies, including by his own son.

And John Smythe over a period of 30 years was brutalizing young boys in the name of Jesus.

He was beating these boys so badly that teenage boys were having to wear nappies and he said, I'm going to make you bleed for Jesus.

Weird, isn't it?

No.

And I don't, I don't know whether she's right or whether she's wrong, but she's somebody who was trafficked, and she talks about being at, um, some big society do, and she claimed that she was there, and Mohamed Al-Fayed was there, and he was Diana's handler.

You know? I think there's a lot that we don't know.

What I do know is Mohamed Al-Fayed wasn't the anti-establishment man they wanted us to believe he was.

Mm.

And so I think we have to start taking responsibility, and w- as parents, we have to take responsibility, because some of the things that we often hear is that these parties where a lot of this abuse takes place is made up of very young people, primarily females oftentimes, 14-year-olds, 15-year-olds, right? And w- w- it's no good us keep coming back 20 years later and saying this shouldn't have happened.

Those children shouldn't have been there in the first place, and somebody has to be held responsible for that.

Parents have to stop taking their foot off the pedal just because they're faced with somebody who's rich and famous-

I've worked with survivors of child abuse and some survivors are incredibly messed up, as you can imagine from their experience.

But I've also encountered fantasists, so I allow for this because...

Because you have to, because, well, we've seen it, for example, with Carl Beach, a perfect example.

Carl Beach, for those who don't know, became probably the most high profile to be accusing people in the so-called VIP abuse scandal.

And Carl Beach was eventually found guilty not only of being a liar and a fantasist, but a child abuser himself.

So you have to be incredibly careful.

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I interviewed Dr. Joan Coleman.

Now, many people may have heard of her, and if not, then I would highly recommend they Google her work.

Joan is now dead.

I was the last person to interview Joan, and I went to her home in the Surrey Hills.

She was a psychiatrist in the 80s, and she was demonized on the back of the whole satanic panic stuff.

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He turned up in a helicopter.

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Very precise.

I, I'll add to that, and that is I, I like to go to the s- the source as much as humanly possible, go to court documents, police records.

What I absolutely avoid, talking about the noise, are content creators who are just interested in sensationalistic BS, and there's, there's plenty out there.

You, you see them on TikTok, you see them on YouTube, and they actually they, they don't care about the subject matter.

They don't care about the people involved.

They're looking for the top line of sensationalism.

So I don't believe that there is anybody who can actually get far, uh, in the system unless they're compromised.

Uh, and we'll just begin from there.

Hello to you all.

I'm sorry I can't be there.

I'm sure some of you know, certainly Zoe, who I can see in the audience, knows that Edinburgh is one of my favorite cities in the world, and I'm not just saying that to make you feel good.

I love Edinburgh.

It's a wonderful city.

You've always been so welcoming to me, and I'm very grateful to be part of this.

What do you feel about that?

That's bits, isn't it?

Yeah, a lot of that is associated to do with, um, Elm Guest House in Southwest London, again in Richmond, where they had their Sunday nightclubs, and that was where Cyril Smith was.

Cyril Smith was a member of Parliament who, again, eventually was found to be an extensive child abuser, um, and again allowed to die, um, before it, you know.

And it's, it's just horrendous.

But yeah, Elm Guest House is absolutely infamous.

But you know what happens? I always say to people, "You don't need to, to fabricate the story beyond what it is.

It's already outrageous enough." So people started to...

Ugh.

I got it wrong, I'm 34.

The bow room is one of the main rooms for when they have their grand occasions.

And he talks about how he went to the bow room and Prince Philip was there.

And he said to Prince Philip how he brought this girl.

And Prince Philip said to Savile, you know, nod.

And Savile said, he gave me the nod and said, put the kid away.

And at the moment that Savile says that to Michael Parkinson, he looks down and he starts to mumble his words because he realizes he's gone too far.

What do you think goes through, and we can only speculate, someone like Margaret Thatcher's mind when she's, is it she just doesn't care that much? It's not a priority for her, abuse like that?

Who's he?

Lord Alastair McAlpine was one of Margaret Thatcher's close allies.

He was, I think he was Conservative Party chairman at some stage, certainly was very high in the Conservative Party.

He was an alleged profile.

And around that period of time when it was all kicking off, it was Alistair who sued.

His lawyers actually put out a message on Twitter saying anybody who said that he was, they were going to sue him.

That was one of the first sort of major takedowns of social media that I've ever witnessed.

being stupid about it

And just the lack of understanding of what's going on outside of their bubble just made me go, you know what, I can't watch this.

Massive.

I will say, though, the Piers Morgan story, that's an interesting one in terms of views.

Because do you remember when he first went to talk TV when they launched? And incidentally, I was part of a pilot for talk TV.

It was, can you imagine making a pilot with Vanessa Fells, Rachel Johnson and Jeremy Kyle? Okay, and I clashed with every one of them.

It was hilarious.

So you should.

heated arguments.

Oh, it's

huge.

I mean, first of all, it was absolutely wrong in my opinion and according to my research.

that Lord Jana was allowed to die without being as thoroughly investigated as he should have been.

There were 33 boys in care homes in Leicester who talked about the abuse.

And again, I want to make absolutely clear, being accused of a heinous crime such as that is horrendous.

Change your life around and you may be entirely innocent.

Can I just say, for those who are not from Britain, because they're just, these are just names, aren't they? So what's like a, how can you give those people like a feeling of what's going on?

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So Eric Joyce is one of the only members of Parliament who has ever been convicted to do with child abuse.

And Eric Joyce was convicted over the last couple of years for downloading Category A material.

which he had watched over a period of years.

And this featured children as young as a matter of months up to the age of seven.

Now, category A is the very worst that you can possibly get.

So you can only imagine what was being done to these children.

You know, what am I doing in here? You guys are out.

So tell me, I mean, again, very briefly, because some people won't know who Madeleine McCann is.

Madeleine Beth McCann was a three-year-old child who went missing while on holiday in May 2007 in Portugal.

Her family and their friends had gone there for a May holiday.

There was nine adults, a bunch of toddlers, Madeline and her twins, twin brother and sister.

She wasn't a twin.

She was the oldest of them.

And Madeline was reported missing on May the 3rd, 2007.

What do you think happened then?

it must have really been out there more than people remember.

Esther Anson says so, doesn't she? She says it was always a topic of conversation.

Well, not always, but it was a topic of conversation in green rooms.

There were producers who were told, don't allow children near him.

You know, this was this went on.

I didn't know any of this.

You see, the thing is, even though I've worked in there, I was never an insider because I couldn't be trusted.

And then the younger batch couldn't be white men.

And time and time again, it doesn't happen.

No, it doesn't happen.

There were also a lot of rumours about her husband as well, actually to do with a school in North London.

Thatcher's husband? Yes, Dennis Thatcher, to do with a school in North London.

And in fact, I've been approached by, and we are obviously sitting in North London at this moment in time, and I've been approached by several pupils from that school who, and Dennis Thatcher went regularly to that school, and I've been approached by several former pupils who swear up and down that he was involved in abuse.

And I can say that because he's dead and he can't sue me for that.

And actually, again, I don't know the truth, but I'm just on this occasion.

But if you look at the 8 billion population, 4 billion men, that's huge 1%.

What was the most damning thing?

The most damning thing was, oh, there were a few.

I think the most damning thing was where the cabinet office was telling BBC directors to pull stories to do with austerity.

Oh.

And the breakdown of the NHS and do with the welfare reform bill.

This is when we were going through all of this experience.

And I was very much involved in, and this is why the person had come to me, and they felt that they could trust me not to sensationalize it, but just to look at the information they were presenting to me as objectively as possible.

But what about, I mean, that's different to abuse scandals though.

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Margaret Thatcher was, in my experience, in my understanding, according to all my evidence, a protector of child abusers who surrounded her, including Jimmy Savile.

She was told about Peter Morrison, who was her private secretary, that he was having parties at weekends at home in Cheshire with young boys.

And I interviewed the cops who were her private protection police and actually who told her.

I interviewed one man who was there when her own private protection officer told her about Sir Peter Morrison.

What did she do? She made him a sir.

So I think it's very interesting.

what Savile did is if it wasn't so disgusting it would almost be admirable I know the way he got ever the police the royals the politicians all on his side to protect him what do you think goes through and we can only speculate someone like Margaret Thatcher's mind when she's is it she just doesn't care that much it's not it's not a priority for her abuse like that

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Margaret Thatcher was, in my experience, in my understanding, according to all my evidence, a protector of child abusers who surrounded her, including Jimmy Savile.

She was told about Peter Morrison, who was her private secretary, that he was having parties at weekends at home in Cheshire with young boys.

And I interviewed the cops who were her private protection police and actually who told her.

I interviewed one man who was there when her own private protection officer told her about Sir Peter Morrison.

What did she do? She made him a sir.

So I think it's very interesting.

I understand right there's individuals aren't exactly what Savile did is if it wasn't so disgusting it would almost be admirable I know the way he got ever the police the royals the politicians all on his side to protect him what do you think goes through and we can only speculate someone like Margaret Thatcher's mind when she's is it she just doesn't care that much it's not it's not a priority for her abuse like that

was a picture of them when the boy was young.

Because Schofield, I think, says they met when they were 15 or 16, because I'd heard 11 or so.

And I might have just heard nonsense.

But then also Schofield said nothing happened until they were 18, which later changed to 21, I think.

There's two accounts.

Yes, yes.

You know, there are people who have an interest in prepubescent.

And there are other people like, I believe, J.D. Salinger was a famous one who interested in sort of 12 to 15 just after puberty or whatever it might be.

it must have really been out there more than people remember.

Esther Anson says so, doesn't she? She says it was always a topic of conversation.

Well, not always, but it was a topic of conversation in green rooms.

There were producers who were told, don't allow children near him.

You know, this went on.

I didn't know any of this.

You see, the thing is, even though I've worked in there, I was never an insider because I couldn't be trusted.

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Just because one or two get caught out, it doesn't stop what has been enabled and existed for a very long period of time.

And I think that there are a lot of predators.

We see it bit by bit.

It's coming out.

One of the messages, I'm as a former music journalist, one of the messages that I really want to convey to people is we need to stop worshipping anybody who's famous, right? Because that makes us incredibly vulnerable.

And the problem is, is that what we hear often is parents are so you know in awe and starstruck that they hand their children over michael

But he's mentally ill wasn't it well

Well, he was already gone, though, by the time it all came out.

Right, exactly.

But the thing is, is that that again, he was exposed again years ago, years ago.

But he was sending beautiful Harrods hampers to the Metropolitan Police.

They were compromised.

They were compromised.

Some people genuinely believe, and I've heard this before.

Is there reason to believe that abuse still goes on, that there are real wrong-uns at the top of these places?

But the very people who might support them the most might be more old-fashioned conservatives who they're now going to lose.

Right.

But I think they have.

I think...

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