What was it like when the project came to you?

It was really easy for me, actually, because, one, I was a fan of Bake Some and, like Joyce's work already, and, you know, I'll never sign on to a project if I don't actually like the food that the person makes, either theoretically or in real life.

[laughs] You know, I, I think I found a weird sort of niche where I talk primarily to chefs of color and people of color who are writing cookbooks and wanna do their projects.

I've worked on, you know, a Vietnamese American cookbook.

I've worked on Joyce's.

I'm currently working on a Filipino cookbook.

I've also helped out with some cookbooks by Black American chefs who are doing, like, really exciting work in the South.

So tell me a little bit more about that.

And, you know,

paint the red by cooking and waiting tables for a long time.

This was in like the 2000s to 2010s.

And I, yeah, that's how I sustained myself, right? It's like just not thinking about writing as my career necessarily.

And it was just like the thing I did because I cared about whatever I was writing about.

And honestly, it wasn't a financially sustainable thing for a very, very long time.

I did a podcast as well.

So can you tell us a bit about that story and just your overall views on AI's impact in journalism?