It's kind of the y- one of the unifying, um, or organizational, uh, principles and unifying themes of this zine project is trying to highlight pseudonymous writers specifically.

Yeah.

I think I'll, uh, I'll start with maybe the New Zealand context.

Um, you know, New Zealand is, uh, the...

I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll use New Zealand, uh, throughout the interview, um, for the, to refer to the settler state and the kind of the, the country that exists.

Um, the indigenous name is Aotearoa, um, from the Maori.

Um, uh, you know, New Zealand's a, it's yeah, Anglo coun- country, part of the Five Eyes, um, definitely part of the empire, but it's, it's interesting as a bit of a, the, the weakest link out of the five, you know, compared to America, UK, Canada, Australia, um, in terms of many aspects, economy, security, et cetera.

Um, and, and also what is Smith K. Stead's, uh, noided origin story?