And, uh, there was a group that particularly was trying to take down Phrack, and they called themselves the Phrack High Council, or PHC.

Yeah, around that time, there was a movement called the Anti-Security Movement, and it was around the time when, um, hacking really got commercialized, and many, many, many companies entered the community and started to sell cybersecurity technology.

And, um, hackers would start working for these companies, and they would, they would sell the secrets that they did not research and did not discover, but that were given to them by the community, and they were making lots of money from it.

And the community was not very happy about that, because effectively, these people stole from the community.

And so, a movement emerged called the Anti-Security Movement, and, uh... which basically said, "Well, that's, that's not okay.

We can't do that." And out of that, the PHC materialized, and they were probably, let's call them the, the radical form of Anti-Security Movement.

They would do a witch hunt, and they would try to hunt down every hacker who would work for corporate.

The people were just very loosely involved at that point, and they decided to get together in 2023 to discuss the future of Phrack.