H- how, how does that play into the Road to the Top, and how can we as a sport, uh, put a greater emphasis on horsemanship?

It is, it is one of the most important pillars of this foundation, and that was another striking point for this was, was again, the founders looking at the way the sport is managed now and thinking, "This doesn't work if you don't understand how the whole machine works." I mean, Aaron Vail's farm is called Thinks Like a Horse, and I think that kind of says everything you need to know about Aaron Vail and why he is one of the best riders in the world.

And the same with anybody else, the amount of time and effort and understanding that the top of the sport puts into their horses, understanding, I mean, look at, like, the interviews with Kent Farrington and McLain Ward.

It's just an incredible amount of time and effort and thinking and partnership.

And our system right now, a- again, for better or for worse, it is what it is.

They're, the, the young riders are so busy, and the accomplished ones ride so many horses in a day that you're going with your saddle from ring to ring, from horse to horse.

And just because of time constraints alone, it's hard to spend time in the barn.

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