And maybe if we just head off from the start, like you started in chemistry that took you into the divinity and consciousness contemplative science practice sort of area leadership and now you've come around to this kind of menopause area in life what led you there tell us a little bit about your journey

yeah Well, I never thought I would be here, to be honest, but I was working in higher education and I was a chaplain and, you know, it was great work.

I loved working with students and everything.

But after about eight years, I found that my anxiety got so high.

I've never really been that much of an anxious person.

My anxiety was through the roof.

My energy crashed.

But what is happening? So whether it's mid 40s, late 40s, 50s, whatever family genetics are suggesting in your line, what is happening during these phases and why is anxiety a feature and what are the other symptoms that someone might be aware of?