Are those the kind of things that you do within your practice? Do you have any kind of lines or an approach that you typically take to allow that to happen?

So in my role in the charity, I'm not so much one-to-one.

I have been, um, more group-based online learning, and we...

I was employed initially to come to get to produce what's called the CODE program, which was based on NICE criteria and the likes of experts.

So that's way, way back.

So the, what I've been doing for the last few years is developing an emotional well- an emotional and mental health wellbeing program to support people living with Type 2 diabetes.

And it's been, it sits alongside structured education, where I felt there was nothing there before.

Yeah