How do you get someone to that consciousness? How does it occur to someone to say, Or would a therapist before they come to you tell them that?

They might.

I think that you might be able to map out.

I struggle a lot with anger or substance use or irritability or impulsiveness or whatever it might be.

And maybe that's because of X, Y, Z that happened in my childhood.

But I think the missing portion of that is how do you know that those things are happening? So when you are experiencing that anger, that irritability, what's happening for you? How do you know that you're in that state? What led up to that state? So often when I work with clients, a lot of that is really understanding their personal window of tolerance.

So I think that there's a difference between understanding the concept of window of tolerance and understanding how that applies to like your own personal system.

How would understanding the reason I feel scared in this situation or uncomfortable in that situation or whatever else it might be, how does that understanding help you live your life differently?

But how many complaints were received by the City of Darwin about their actions from last year?

We received complaints both in writing and also verbally.

And it also included, unfortunately, where... kids chose not to take unapproved merchandise, they actually reports of them throwing at a child as part of it.

So they were approved to have gospels, which they can hand out as part of the process, but their behavior wasn't, you know, conducive to the environment and the family fun event.

Yeah.

In saying that though, Katie, we had 38 floats last year, and this was the only one that we received complaints about.

and non-compliance to the terms and conditions.

So was it raised with them after last year's event that their behaviour was, I guess you would say, from what you've told me, unacceptable? No.

Like if we're feeling angry, how do we stay present and continue thinking when we do get

triggered? So with this question, I think I would contextualize it with some of that, like more understanding portion of the book, which is that if our nervous system sort of kicks us out of our window, if let's say anger is one of those emotions that our nervous system, for whatever reason, doesn't feel safe with, can't handle very well.

I think conceptually and cognitively, we might want to say like, okay, I'm going to stay with my anger.

I'm going to sit with it a little bit longer.

I'm going to try and communicate.

But I think where we maybe miss a few steps is a lot of us want to get to the doing portion without the noticing and the understanding portion of it.

And in the book, I described that this is very slow work.

So when we think about resilience, emotional resilience, and resilience wanting to live healthier for longer you know that's a lot of the show is about extending our health span how do we do that but many people especially i think older adults maybe from the silent generation or baby boomer generation you know we were taught a lot of times to push through difficult feelings and maybe just kind of set those aside and How do you see that? Is it ever too late to kind of develop a new relationship with the body? Or how do you see us resolving that and dealing with that in a healthier way?

... about this or how a reader might use it?

Yeah.

So I created that framework because I wanted something that feels accessible and something that ideally feels e- easy to remember.

So that notice portion is that observation, so just noticing what's happening inside you.

And so that could be like, "Ugh, I feel a little bit uncomfortable," or, "There's something happening in my stomach," or, "I'm noticing something happening in my neck or my shoulders." The name portion is giving some sort of language to it.

And so in the back of the book, I also have what's called a signals and sensations index, and so it gives readers some options as far as how they might wanna label certain sensations.

But that's where you can label sensations of, okay, this, this feeling in my neck, it feels tense or it feels hot, or the sensation in my chest feels heavy or light.

Did this assertion resonate with your own observations of boys that are raised in our culture as, like, anger is the only thing that's allowed?

I think this relates to that a little bit.

As far as where I'm trying to go, I think most folks who come to work with me, they're looking to feel more embodied in some way.

And when I say embodied, I mean connected to their felt sense, being able to, quote-unquote, "feel your feelings." They are typically kind of stuck in that cognitive head space.

So in the beginning, we sort of work through a lot of psychoeducation, and so there isn't a ton of body-based stuff there.

And the reason is, and I wrote the book in the same way, is because that safety and stabilization period is really important for their nervous system to be able to settle as much as it can around me.

And so that means understanding what's happening.

So what is happening in your body? How does the brain work? How does the nervous system work? What can you expect from me? What can you expect from the therapeutic relationship? Understanding a little bit more about them.

And I don't know if it's just something that you experience as, like, a long and very individual process with people or if there are things that you've seen or things that you've done that can help people, uh, through that piece of it.

So if you're a senior, if you are somebody that is over the age of, I don't know, 60, 70, whatever it is to be an eligible Northern Territory senior, are you eligible for that assisted pickup or only if you've got mobility issues?

Look, you can call and if you've got no household member to reasonably be able to assist you or no access to another community support, absolutely call us.

That's what it's designed for.

And there's many seniors that don't have, they might be living alone and not even have a vehicle.

That's who we want you to call us.

We will assist you.

And you don't have to necessarily be a senior.

But can you understand how people are really frustrated at the moment that a service that they've had for as many years as they can remember is now not able to happen? you know in before cyclone season so it's happening after as as we've discussed you know you can understand or can you understand their frustration with that given the fact that you know we've had cyclones before there's been plenty of times where the council's had to clean up before and many people see that council's sole responsibility is roads rates and rubbish.

So what could it potentially look like? I mean, do you have an idea of how you want it to look? Is it more about what is in there or is it the whole lot?

Look, I think it's the whole lot and I think people can be bold in relation to what they'd like to see there.

We might not be able to afford some of the concepts.

Yeah.

But I think the great thing with something like this is having a broader vision because it may be that we can do a stage one and a stage two of the actual plaza.

What we do know, though, is the beautiful tree of knowledge, Gullamama, will be staying and it needs a bigger circumference for its current footprint.

And that means that the building around it will need to be demolished.

But this is really the opportunity now to ensure that your voice is heard, right?