And I wondered what it was that was speaking to you within this text today.

Sounds very Baptist.

Complaining is what we kind of do, but we do it together and we do it in God's direction, I like to think.

It's interesting, the English word for Lord, is rooted etymologically in the notion of, in Anglo-Saxon, the notion of the loaf ward, the guardian of bread, the one who provides his people with bread.

And it's telling because it's one of the oldest political responsibilities in ensuring that people can eat.

Greek and Roman societies really understood this well.

Bakers were given special privileges in Greece.

So I wonder, Simon, for you across these passages, where is there hope? Do we need it?