Yeah.

And then, you know, what can happen is there's maybe, maybe parts of that that doesn't feel right in some way, um, that actually, you know, for lots of dads and lots of moms can recognize, "Actually, I don't want to, you know, approach this in this way." Um, so I think i- it's something that w- with awareness, lots more men, lots more moms, partners are starting to see the impacts of that-

Mm

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but also in terms of our relationships.

And I think such an important part, I feel, of helping couples to thrive is that individually we all become more aware of our own patterns of behaviors, our own responses, our own reactions, our own wounds, our own trauma, um, that may actually be showing up in our relationships now.

Really giving that some time.