But can you talk to us a little bit about the attack strategy that we're already seeing related to post-quantum with the harvest now, decrypt later strategy? What exactly does that mean for you? What does that mean for enterprises? And what steps can they take to protect against that now?

Yeah, thanks, Ken.

Nice to meet you, too.

That's a very...

Well-packed question, let's put it that way.

So post-quantum cryptography, as we all know, is when we finally get commercially available quantum computers, having cryptography that is up to sustained attacks from that data being decrypted.

But what we're seeing at the moment, as you said, is the harvest now, decrypt later.

How do you convince people that this is something that needs to be worried about today and not tomorrow?

So why? Why do you think the industry has struggled to make that shift despite so many years of high-profile breaches that we've all seen when doom-scrolling down our phones?

Yeah, I think it's natural, really.

I mean, let's face it, we all come from, or certainly I have, a background of data and storage networking, traditional firewalls, routers, you know, traditional ways of protecting perimeters and identity.

That was ingrained into us for years because we've always assumed that if you protect the perimeter, You protect what's on the inside of the perimeter.

Unfortunately, the world has changed, and data no longer lives just on-prem in your data centers.

It goes everywhere.

Places that you can control and places that you can't control.

Are all these things becoming more common?