What needs to happen? Is it a matter of intent from producers, from industry, from retailers? Is it a matter of more organizations, you know, finding ways of reusing that produce? Yeah.

Yeah, it's a range of things.

I think the best roadmap for it came out of the work by FIAL, Food Innovation Australia.

That national baseline that happened in 2021-22 showed us around 27 interventions.

Those interventions crossed industry innovation, supply chain transformation, policy deployment, as well as our behaviours.

And facilitating better behaviors in the home by making it easy and enabling people to do better, not hectoring them, but actually giving them the tools to do better.

A lot of those areas have started well, and some of the low-hanging fruit has been addressed.

What would they be? If you were there, if you were the regulator, if you were in charge, if you are now the Minister of Food for Australia, what are you doing? What are the first two things you're doing? What's going to make the biggest impact?