But when you got the nod and it was you over Maharaj, did the pressure alleviate a little bit more, especially on that last day in Cape Town?

Yeah, I think going into the series, playing in Durban and Port Elizabeth, traditionally those coastal wickets do offer a bit more spin.

And the last time that I played there against Bangladesh, the wickets turned square from day one.

But I think the wickets throughout the series were just good test wickets.

And then, yeah, it is...

Again, you're coming into a series against Australia and I'm sure it was the same with you for the Ashes.

It's just like everything goes up a notch and there's nowhere to hide.

Not so?

And B, other than perhaps leadership of Temba and others, what have been the reasons for that upturn in fortunes, do you think?

So I think it's a few things.

I think teams of old were very reliant on big players, the likes of sort of A.B. de Villiers and Dale Steyn, Faf du Plessis.

If we were going to win a test match, those guys needed to do well.

Whereas I feel like this group...

There's always somebody putting their hands up.

There's always somebody willing to fight and to get the team out of trouble.

What would you do to try and help English spinners? I mean, you won't give too much away, but what do you think?

bro?

I don't want to say anything.

It's been a pleasure.

I'm sorry it didn't go your way.

No, you're not.

Shut the fuck up.

Good to meet you, boys.

So would you like to share at least the themes of what you were saying?

But when the hope for Australia winning the series in a second test match fades away, that's got to be something really satisfying to contribute in that way to the team in your second discipline.

Yeah, like my batting is probably the bane of my existence.

I've always felt like I've underperformed with the bat and there's so much like anxiety before I go out to bat of like, are you going to bat well coming up against Australia? You know the boys are quick, you know you're going to sniff it.

So to then like sit back after that and understand that I'd probably given the best opportunity of scoring a test hundred away, trying to slog Marnus.

It's kind of like bowling is my job and if I take wickets, it's kind of like, yeah, okay, well, that's what I'm supposed to do.

But scoring runs is like, probably the greatest feeling in cricket for me.

So to get some runs was really good.

Do you not watch cricket? Or is it Shukri Conrad-inspired mind games that has you saying this?