So what was coming out of it? What should the sustainable procurement folk out there be thinking about when it comes to engaging procurement? What was procurement saying?

Well, thanks, Holly, first of all.

The first thing to mention was probably that it was a super engaging discussion.

When I saw that we were going to host this for four hours, I was a bit worried we were going to run out of steam.

I think actually the steam ran out on us.

So first of all, what we did was we talked in the first half of the session, we talked a lot about what are the priorities within procurement teams at the moment.

And I certainly wasn't expecting that to be so lively.

There needs to be alignment, there needs to be, you know, incentives, there needs to be There needs to be action, but there needs to be also a commercial reality beyond it as well.