Do you see what I mean? How do you get to a point where nobody in that room has some sort of skin in the game?

Yeah, I mean, look, I think I'm a reasonably good example, right? I'm an owner and a breeder, and therefore if you take, you know, an absolute purist approach to this, I'm not strictly independent, right? But because I've got, you know, 0.1% of the British bloodstock, I'm not sure that qualifies me as being in a position of significant influence or control.

Yeah.

And so whilst I bring... you know, wide-ranging knowledge and expertise of certain sectors, I'm perfectly capable of looking at the broader picture and I don't have any significant influence or control or strong vested interest.

And those are the sort of people that I think we have to qualify.

Because what I want, Nick, to your original question about defining independence, What I want at its heart is a group of people who are really knowledgeable and really understand racing and can cover all the waterfront.

We need people who understand what it's like to run a race course in the P&L.

um i this is not supposed to be a gotcha question and and i hope you don't see it as such but um for someone who's passionate about producing horses in this country and is chair of the bha why is your best horse trained in france

But who really gets the juices flowing? So I've got about

30 racing photographs on my wall at home.

And as I become an owner, my favourite racehorses tend to get replaced by the very sporadic occasional winner that I had.

So I've still got, probably my favorite racehorse, to answer your question, was probably Senior Business.

I'm not saying he was the greatest racehorse of all time, but there's something about that horse that I loved.

He was racing mostly when I was living in Vietnam and China.

And my mom used to send me copies of the racing post in Sporting Life, and I used to get them like 10 days later and read them all.

A lot of people are going to want to know how you'll fit or how you're ready to deal with government based on your experience.

And what elements really didn't?

Okay.

Um, well, firstly, it's of its time.

It definitely looks like a film shot in the '80s.

But I was actually surprised at how well-crafted it was from a technical point of view.

Um, I thought the...

I like the fact that it was shot on 35 mil film.

And then-