But that doesn't necessarily win you matches, do it? They've got to be ready and they've got to be hard.

They do, Hills, absolutely.

You know, I said before that Finals footy is a different dynamic and the pressure goes up and it's one of those ones where I guess you look at the Sydney side and four or five of their best players are out.

I think it's a pretty simple message for Chris Pagan this last week or fortnight around boys.

You expect they're going to be a galvanised club.

They're going to be a hungry club after what's happened down there.

So expect their best and you know, do not go in for a second being half-hearted at all, you know, thinking it's going to be a walk on the park, because it surely won't, despite, you know, four of their best players, even James Jordan.

Do you see them in a better spot this year than they were last year, or it's just a completely different year, but they're tracking in the right direction?

But that doesn't necessarily win you matches, do it? They've got to be ready and they've got to be hard.

They do, Hills, absolutely.

You know, I said before that, Finals footy is a different dynamic and the pressure goes up.

It's one of those ones where I guess you look at the Sydney side and four or five of their best players are out.

I think it's a pretty simple message for Chris Pagan this last week or fortnight around boys.

You expect they're going to be a galvanised club.

They're going to be a hungry, hungry club after what's happened down there.

Is that the way you would have gone? Gallop making way for him, a tall defender or a mid, where else could you have gone?

But that doesn't necessarily win you matches, do it? They've got to be ready and they've got to be hard.

They do, Hills, absolutely.

You know, I said before that, Finals footy is a different dynamic and the pressure goes up.

It's one of those ones where I guess you look at the Sydney side and four or five of their best players are out.

I think it's a pretty simple message for Chris Pagan this last week or fortnight around boys.

You expect they're going to be a galvanised club.

They're going to be a hungry, hungry club after what's happened down there.

Is that the way you would have gone, Gallop making way for him, a tall defender or a mid? Where else could you have gone?

Do you think this has got merit and is it something the AFL should look at doing?

Oh, absolutely, absolutely.

I've been fortunate to be in a workshop with Tommy and find your feet.

What he does is to connect, I guess, make young people at a pretty vulnerable age that probably don't feel natural to open up.

His ability to be able to do that and share how they're going in life and their personal challenges and just to give of their heart was, I've never seen anything like it.

It was actually unbelievable and in a real beautiful way that absolute compassion and care from for each other and the way Tommy was able to just make everyone feel comfortable and honestly, I feel like it changed lives.

It was an incredible couple of hours to be a part of.

Simon, good morning.

G'day, Mark.

How are you?

Do you think this has got merit, and is it something the AFL should look at doing?

Oh, uh, absolutely.

Absolutely.

I, I've been fortunate to be in a workshop with Tommy and sign your feet what, what he does to, just to connect.

Um, I, I guess, mate, young people at a pretty vulnerable age that probably don't feel natural to open up, his ability to be able to do that and share how they're, they're going in life and their, their personal challenges and, and, and, um, to just to give it a bit heart was...