so that's the two because i remember like a few years ago it was also neapolitan tailoring available that's a

style choice uh but we never made in in italy okay so uh that's more like the system that we use instead of paper patterns and the old pen and crayon and that sort of really old traditional bespoke tailoring what we do instead is we do pdf patterns so we have a modern system which allows us just to to make different blocks for different designs so if you want a very very italian light uh unconstructed look uh we can just pull that up and that will be the make of the suit we'll just reflect that Up until everything's like a super built, structured, traditional British style.

But that sort of bulky square British style, not even the British people wear that anymore.

Exactly.

Yeah,

but James and Ian, who founded Cat and the Dandy of Savile Row around maybe 15 years ago, roughly.

they were like the new guys on the street to some extent they're still the new guys on the road but they just shook things up business-wise and also like how they wanted to change everything about it except the quality of the product that's an absolute you don't want to change what's already working so instead they went like okay do we have paper patterns no we do pdf patterns instead do we have like a small thing like tailors would always get paid when the customer picked up the garment and that could take in tailoring as you know a very long time meaning you have all the costs you have to do the work you have to buy the cloth you have to do the fittings and all this is on the house and then finally if the customer is happy and has the money and is still alive you might get paid