What led you to go into this safety stuff?

Oh, it's been multiple events actually, Todd, but thank you for asking that question.

Interesting question.

The most recent engagements over the last two, three, four years in hard hat industries, oil, gas, mining, construction, have been driven mostly by my move to Australia, which was driven largely by economic factors and opportunities for my wife and I in both of our respective fields.

What I noticed after spending almost two decades working particularly in aviation and healthcare and doing safety work then and research was that the conversation in Australia is dominated and has been dominated very much by the industries that make up the large part of the economy here.

And that is the hard hat industries that I just mentioned.

And what I found fascinating was that in worlds that are not necessarily as high-tech or as preoccupied with some of the assumptions and ideas that have been popular in aviation and healthcare.

right?