But can you tell us a little bit about, uh, about your first initial encounter, uh, with this work?

I think it was that show, at least for me.

I mean, I think Rainer, you may have gone there first, um, and I followed you.

Well, like, you told me about it, um, and what Sturtevant was up to.

Um, it was Double Trouble at MoMA.

I think it was 2014.

Um, and I, I very quickly had to go see it myself, um, and had-- did not know about Sturtevant before that moment, um, and had an opportunity to see, you know, her, uh, repetitions, um, of Duchamp, um, which we'll talk about a little later, I think, um, but also Warhol, uh, all of the sort of pop artists.

And Duchamp's original has printed on the bottom in English, "Fresh Widow Copyright Rose Selavy nineteen twenty." So Shiv, you brought this up that one of the things that's interesting about this, one of the reasons we liked it is that it's not a readymade.