What do you feel is behind it?

So I mean, obviously the, the fact that it's cheaper and becoming much more accessible to a lot more homeowners, but it's also the fact, for example, that I have a security or a smart, uh, doorbell means that we are now fully connected, right? So you have your phone, you have your tablet, your laptop, your doorbell, your, uh, refrigerator even, and they're all connected, and they can be connected to the camera, security camera as well.

And this is the new sort of architecture of our digital lives, where a lot more, um, Internet of Sl- of Things devices can now be accessible, are cheaper, can be a part of our general kind of, uh, home maintenance and, and home-- and control of our home.

So it's a part of this larger trend of, of smart homes more, more broadly in society.

Uh, what, what do you think happens from, from here, Shiri? Do you, do you think that the, uh, the trend continues?

I do, and I think it's part of our, you know, last-- so the sec- the security-- sorry, the privacy paradox, where people say that they care a lot about their privacy and are concerned about their data, but at the same time, you know, participate in actively, uh, you know, uh, waiving significant portions of our identity and, and our activities.

And so, you know, many people purchase these, um, s- home security systems without checking, for example, their cybersecurity systems and without being aware whether, whether they protect their data or how their data is protected.

Where are all these, you know-- where is all this footage saved? Some of us, you know, if it's connected to a, uh, a smarter kind of home apparatus more broadly, you know, we give away so much information-

From that perspective, I mean, are the installers, have they been given a crash course in what these can capture, what they can't? What I'm saying is at the point of installation, are they aiming them where they can or is it sort of still a bit of a wild west?

So it's still a bit of a wild west.

And even though there is now a privacy tort that would also at least theoretically apply to some of those kind of neighbor crawls, it's not a complete protection from the harms of constant surveillance everywhere.

And in fact, if we're thinking about the We've just a few weeks ago, the Western Australia police announced a new operation where they use video cameras in public spaces to enforce and deter crime.

And so we definitely see that everywhere.

We see, you know, a video camera every time we shop in Coles or Woolies.

And there are cameras that trace, you know, what you buy and how you purchase food.

Yes.

That, at any rate, is Shiri's concern.

And it may well be that because he was, you know, and that's the irony here, that he was arrested or detained by the IDF twice, according to the information that you shared with me.

But the fact that he was already in the system and that interaction and that detention already probably created some sort of a red flag in the system.

And that could have joined other red flags, including, I don't know, maybe someone in the neighborhood, maybe someone who eats in the soup kitchen.

But Shiri says this way of calculating misses the real problem.

There is sort of an algorithmic error rate that, you know, we say, OK, well, we have algorithms.

They make some mistakes, but normally humans would make more mistakes.

This is the error rate.