Could you walk me through some examples or a hypothetical scenario to help people prepare themselves for how these interactions actually go down and what is particularly challenging about navigating them?

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, listen, scrutiny can happen anywhere in the context of travel.

Um, it can happen anywhere from the airline check-in counter to, um, the gate as you're departing, um, to, you know, the context of return into the country or, um, from international travel to, like, uh, you know, the space of customs and passport control.

Can happen really anywhere.

It can even happen once you've cleared customs and you are at baggage, uh, retrieval, and, and you can have an officer come and approach you there.

So the guidance that we always give is, like, applicable to any of those contexts.

Given what we're seeing right now, how are you recommending people who might be targets of surveillance when traveling prepare beforehand?

Can you take us through the case and, uh, what led to eventually yesterday the judge releasing him on bail?

Absolutely.

So Mohsan Mahdawi is a Palestinian man.

He, uh, grew up in a refugee camp in the West Bank, Palestine, and he came to the United States 10 years ago.

Uh, his home for the majority of the past decade has been, uh, Vermont.

He also is an undergraduate student at Columbia University, and, um, is actually slated to graduate in just a few weeks this month.

Um, and before, you know, continuing on to a master's program at Columbia, um, which he now will be able to do because he'll be able to graduate because he's been released.

Can you speak a little bit about what the judge said and some of the historical examples that, uh, were, were drawn upon in the, the judge's ruling?