So what did you do?

Well, again, there's no, there's no formula, um, but we, we tried to make this, again, the back to the this is what God has for our family at this season, and this works for all family dynamics, I think.

In when you are together, um, or, or even when you're not.

Let's say mom and dad are busy doing something, work, whatever, and the kids are home, and they've got-- you've given them some chores to do or responsibilities to take care of, understanding that this is what we do as a family, building that family identity.

This is what we do.

The Seluxsen household, this is how we work, and this is how God has designed it.

And so, um, Dad is working here.

They've done life with them since the beginning of their birth.