So then fast forward, you sold this company, right? I sold it a couple of

times, which was kind of crazy, but it was the first of its kind.

The last time I sold it was to Ipsos, the third largest research company in the world.

When I sold to Ipsos in my last year, I realized, you know, it's time for me to give back with generosity what I wish I had my whole career, which was girlfriends in business.

I never had.

And there was such a scarcity of jobs at the top.

We would push our heels into someone else to to get above them.

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