Mm-hmm.

I mean, I could be an anarchist.

I could be an advocate.

Who knows what day [laughs] you get Shelby Daly on? But, you know, uh, it's just athletic trainers keep forging on and just working, and we all talk about most of these subjects, but are we really getting to the root of what it means to address it? And that's why I just had to bluntly say that this isn't advocacy anymore.

Like, what are you trying to do with this, uh, project of addressing the rise, uh, loan stuff? I- if you're trying to get more people into the profession, you're just gonna get a lot of more pissed off athletic trainers because at the end of the two years, they've taken out how many loans, and they're not able to pay it back with the culture of athletic training's compensation.

So, you know, as I thought about it, how-- I don't know if NATA can do it.

They obviously have some scholarships, but how have they not partnered with many of the companies that sponsor NATA and create bigger scholarships, more scholarships so that we can start marketing to the high schoolers? You don't have to give it to them obviously after they graduate high school 'cause they have four years, but they have the availability to access those scholarships when they actually commit to a program and get through their first semester or whatever.

Um, that's hard to reconcile.