You know.

Yeah, I, I completely, yeah, I can relate to that for sure.

And, and it's like, as therapist entrepreneurs too, we're learning all of these new skills, like marketing and sales and just stuff that as a therapist, honestly, like building my therapy practice has always been kind of easy.

People know what therapy is.

They're like, Oh, I do accept one insurance, you know? And it's, So we have to like build these skills and yet we also have to figure out, so we have to learn that from somewhere, right? But then we also have to figure out how to do it our own way.

And that's, I mean, in many ways, like that's been my journey.

That's like what the retreat's about.

How have you navigated knowing that there are like... cost to this right but the tension of like wow there may be a retreat that i host and we don't fill all the way and the discomfort of that how do you say