She grew up hearing whispers about her great-great-grandparents' murder.

My mom had talked about it, and my grandma had talked about it.

Like, I had heard about it when I was quite young, but I wasn't really interested, or it didn't really, like, sink in the gravity of like, this is real life.

And, um, you know, it's never been solved, of course.

I do regret not kind of looking into things a lot earlier, 'cause in 2006, I was doing my family tree, and so I had got the, some of the newspaper articles from the university microfilm.

The papers called them by their formal names back then, Andrew and Elizabeth Kostenuk, but most everyone knows them as Curly and Lizzie.

I was living in South Wellington at the time.

I had walked down South Wellington Road trying to find the house because there was pictures.