I mean, how many kids do you have? How old are your kids? Like, what did that really look? What was the full picture of your life when you were doing all of that?

Yeah, so I have two kiddos.

At that time, they were ages six and eight.

Now they're seven and nine.

Or maybe they were even younger, five and seven.

It's a blur.

Yeah.

What is the difference between cobbling things together and being in a program like, like mine? What do you think was the biggest difference?