Can you describe some of that research for us?

We are very much interested in understanding how people, uh, justify their, uh, unethical behavior, as you mentioned, and the way we study it is, uh, very simple.

We bring participants, typically students, but not, uh, only, to the lab, and we give them regular dice that they can, uh, roll.

We also provide them with a paper cup, like the one that you would drink coffee from, and say, "Roll the die into the paper cup that you have and peek into the cup.

Check out what outcome you've rolled.

Do that three times, and then tell us what the outcome of the first roll was." Now, since participants are rolling the die into this paper cup, it is very clear to them that they are the only ones who are able to observe the outcome.

The trick is that we tell participants that we will pay them according to the number that they, uh, report rolling.

Did you find then that people kind of clustered at either end? They were either quite honest or fairly consistently honest, or quite dishonest, that is dishonest in a number of different settings, or was it a kind of even distribution across the, the group?