Do you wanna tell us a little bit about how, like what sort of movements you've, you've done throughout your life?

Well, I started off in my 20s with squash.

I was living in Sydney at the time, and I was working for a squash court there, so I got into squash, mainly because my youngest son was a baby, and they had good child minding there.

So that was really handy.

And then I got into running to get fitter for squash, and did them both for a while, and then gave up the squash and started-- I joined the-- I was back in New Zealand by then, and joined the Sumner Running Club and spent, um, yeah, a good 10 years doing the races, the cross-country races, and Kepler, and all the, all the trail running.

Then after running, I took up Coast to Coast, because quite a few of the, the good, um, Coast to Coast people were in the Sumner Running Club.

So then I, I got in- involved in Coast to Coast, and did 10 of them.

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