So how much room do you think is there for innovation in healthcare?

I think the room is there.

I think the solutions are still the challenge.

What are the solutions? What are the new ways that healthcare can be delivered? And I think that's a huge transition for everyone to go through.

If you look, you know, traditionally how we deliver healthcare, we train our doctors, we train our nurses, we train our medical staff to go and, you know, treat patients and look after patients.

But the volume of patients and the volume of healthcare that is needed is becoming too much for them to deliver it in the way they do today.

So they have to be open.

So I guess it's hard to draw a picture... about what makes up a good ecosystem, but what do you think are the most valuable players in that?