I'm really interested, as you were gathering the stories for this book, um, what kinds of patterns were you starting to see emerging? Um, what were some of the things that you noticed, um, about this demographic in particular as you were interviewing artists, um, over 50 in your book?

Well, I'd love to interview both of you and ask you that question.

[laughs] Um, what you think is, uh...

No, but thank you.

You, you both are doing the same work.

We're all in this together.

Well, as I flip through this book, I've read these essays so many times, I can't, I can't, um, I can't count, which I've enjoyed so much.

Um, and I guess that leads me a little into like your approach to interviewing people, sharing other people's stories, the things that you, um, yeah, how you continue to do that.