Let's say, would a similar thing have happened in the U.K.?

Less so.

It is still difficult to hold a board member accountable as directly as you might want to.

There often are...

I don't know what you want to call it, but you're never going to get another job again if you've been involved in something like that in the UK.

That is absolutely given.

It is still a difficult one to get that through all the relevant court processes.

Sharon, just from your time in the Chamber and also working in the UK, what's your sense of South Africans that come across and their ability to work and comparing them to people in the UK?