But, but in that moment, Shantam, where the Buddha taught this, what, what was the, what was the joy he brought?

Thank you, Brother Phap Hu, for your sharing.

Um, I think it's very clear the Buddha was teaching a path of practice.

It wasn't a sort of, um-Formula in a sense saying, okay.

And there was an interesting person called Dighanaka who met the Buddha here in Rajgir, who said, "I don't believe in any of these theories, pr- you know, uh, philosophies, et cetera." And the Buddha says, "Do you believe in your non-belief?" And he got a bit stumped, and he said, "That too is a type of belief system." And then the Buddha said, "I teach a path of practice.

Uh, it's like the finger pointing to the moon.

Don't get caught on the finger." And so for the Buddha himself, this was a practice.

So what was it in you that chose that path when all the enticements, and of course the other side of the fire is sort of this enticements to fame and sort of fortune and status that you could have actually gone down that path.