Talk a little bit about what the inspiration was to write this book at this time.

Sure.

First of all, I'm happy to be here.

Thanks so much for having me.

I am a creative arts therapist and the work is the Circulatio is written from a perspective of the group work that I've been developing over several decades.

So it's Therapeutic work, it's healing work, it's work that's accessible to people that are therapists, certainly, but also people who are just interested in their own growth and transformation or people who are educators, things of that nature, coaches, leadership, because the work and the book is focused around how to approach change.

transformation, not only with the ways that we work, which are different modalities like movement and art and reflective writing and breathwork.

Maybe not think, but how, you know, did you have an end goal anyway? Yeah.